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Welcome - trust you are a camper-hiker-canoeist- kayaker- weekend warrior - skier - something like that!

@Hobbit - all the tents that I own (accept for a few) do not need a rain shelter. I do have special tarps for kitchen shelters on trips and I have an enclosed kitchen shelter for base camp that I put on an extra rain cover.

Shame? Did someone say shame? I remember my first excursion into Algonquin Park. I was more interested in getting there than anything else. No tent - just a tarp, No sleeping bag - just a blanket. Little in the way of any equipment and a lot of the wrong kind of food. I/we barely survived...

@campforums on no, no, no - If you are thinking what I think you are thinking - I very much agree. I'm thinking that you are not a supporter of survival sites. :phantom: Neither am I actually - they are scary to say the least.

I haven't used canvas for sometime now - I look for durable new materials that are light and easily transported (usually via canoe). Could you tell me more about your canvas - I'm interested. I'm not much for Hobbit Holes - I like a solid base camp tent. This is my three season Alaknak. I...

Is this the kind of stuff you are talking about? If so you will find more information on Survival Networks that would give you more information. The only thing that I have ever used is a snow hut/shelter in the winter.

...but you could pack a chicken in the same and let it dangle over the fire until it is cooked to perfection. :) It is a matter of choice and what one is accustomed to.

...careful selection can turn the finest luxuries into essentials minus the expense. :)

Just got word my work load is about to double. So...I'll be dog-less for a bit longer.